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Doom wrote:I lived through the 90's, too. I used to go to Taco Bell and get tacos 3 for a buck (well, 6 for $2, because that was lunch). Now they're $1 apiece. Bought a car for $6k...a comparable one today would be $18k, easy.
OK. I'm not saying inflation didn't happen. I'm saying that Shadow Stats is bullshit. The BLS numbers report inflation every year, Shadow Stats is claiming inflation that is 5-9% higher than that every year. When we look at average gasoline prices in CPI-adjusted constant dollars, we get a line that moves up and down as crises come and go, but which pretty much stays the same. If we used the Shadow Stats numbers, the relative price of gasoline has apparently dropped 85% since Gulf War I.

The CPI says that prices should have approximately tripled since the end of the 80s. Which sounds pretty good against your "Back in my day!" recollections. I can even add some: Gasoline was 1 dollar a gallon (national average) in 1989, and 3 dollars a gallon (national average) in 2009. Shadow Stats says that prices should have gone up 10 times. Compound interest is a bitch. I know that Shadow Stats is full of crazy, because I can still buy a gallon of milk for less than twenty dollars.

You simply have not shown a credible alternative to the government's numbers. Nor has your "rich getting richer" conspiracy theory lent much credibility to it. Rich people own most of the TIPS (the CPI-adjusted treasury bonds).

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Ok, so you don't like Shadowstats.

I don't like government numbers, since they're full of lies. I can't buy anything now that I want for anything like the prices I paid 30 years ago. It's probably more fair to compare with 1998 or so than now...you only need 7% to get tripling in 15 years (hey, that lies alot closer to Shadowstats than govstats).

The truth is probably somewhere in between (but 2%, seriously?). I prefer taking the lower bound of Shadowstats' range to nearly quadrupling govstats numbers to get something that looks about right. I do concede that if the only discriminations are "100% correct" or "100% wrong", then both are equally wrong.

"Rich getting richer" isn't a conspiracy theory, that's just how it is.

http://www.marketingcharts.com/direct/w ... b-2011jpg/

http://itoosing.blogspot.com/2011/02/we ... -2011.html

Here you can see trends 2004 and before: http://www.faculty.fairfield.edu/facult ... wealth.htm
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Doom wrote:Ok, so you don't like Shadowstats.

I don't like government numbers, since they're full of lies. I can't buy anything now that I want for anything like the prices I paid 30 years ago. It's probably more fair to compare with 1998 or so than now...you only need 7% to get tripling in 15 years (hey, that lies alot closer to Shadowstats than govstats).

The truth is probably somewhere in between (but 2%, seriously?). I prefer taking the lower bound of Shadowstats' range to nearly quadrupling govstats numbers to get something that looks about right.
Oh for fuck's sake.

Explain This Chart!
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Where's my $12 or even $6 a gallon gasoline?

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All the historical inflation was created by the interaction between fractional banking and economic growth, not by government and Fed money printing. Fractional banking did this even under the gold standard, as I said before.

Regardless of what that steady inflation does, to say that the rich universally want more QE is insane. Creditors want steady or decreasing inflation ... increasing inflation will relatively decrease the interest they get paid on debt. Of course there is going to be a percentage which are not invested in bonds and only in stock and those love QE, the more the merrier, but that is a small percentage (because there is a lot more debt in the world than stock).

Neither FDR's revaluation of the gold reserves nor stagflation nor QE was liked by the rich. They all accomplish the same thing, they reduce debt in relation to GDP ... so they reduce wealth owned by creditors. Of course the very small amount of poor people who happen to do have pure monetary savings get punished too, but that's not the aim ... and there are not many of them compared to people in debt.
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Maj wrote:
Wikipedia: Inflation wrote:Economists generally agree that high rates of inflation and hyperinflation are caused by an excessive growth of the money supply.
Does this mean that as more people become part of a country (through immigration and/or birth), inflation will naturally occur as the money supply and economy both expand?
No. You are talking the population supply. That number enters into the general supply/demand equation in inflation. If the increase of population produce more than they consume (supply>demand) there will be deflationary pressures. If the increase of the population consume more than they produce (supply<demand) there will be inflationary pressures.
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FrankTrollman wrote:Oh for fuck's sake.

Explain This Chart!
Seems fairly self explanatory. For quite a number of years, gasoline hasn't gone up with inflation quite as quickly.

It's worth noting, not everything conforms exactly to inflation numbers. This is typically due to improved production/refining/extraction/transport methods, but other reasons are quite possible as well.

For example, high quality steel used to be worth more than its weight in gold up until the early 19th century. It is, of course, MUCH cheaper now, despite inflation, despite it being used in vastly greater quantities than in previous centuries.

So, it's quite possible gas doesn't conform exactly and precisely to some chart grabbed off the net, somewhere, from a site that I've never claimed to be accurate or inaccurate. It's also worth noting that gasoline sells for quite a bit more in many other countries than in the US (diesel is over $11 a gallon in England, for example), and that the bulk of US military/political policy for the last few decades has been to take measures to keep gas prices low, conquering/infiltrating every oil country they can. Other countries simply lack the military reasources to push out our installed dictators so that they can get dibs on low prices.

In short, there can absolutely be factors that allow for a single commodity not to conform perfectly to some numbers on some website somewhere. So, chart duly explained.

Did you ever find a commodity that, just for this year, is down 50%?

For what it's worth, Shadowstats does have an inflation calculator; says a $1 in 1980 is worth around $7 now. My memories of those days aren't really good enough to confirm how accurate that is...and it really is the recent years that matter in my opinion, as this year's deficit dwarfs the entire country's debt in 1980. Actually, just remembered, I used to mow lawns for $5...nowadays that costs $35.
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I usuaally go with the price of Coca-Cola.

It used to be 25 cents, now it's 1.00 for a 12 ounce can.
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Doom wrote:For what it's worth, Shadowstats does have an inflation calculator; says a $1 in 1980 is worth around $7 now. My memories of those days aren't really good enough to confirm how accurate that is...and it really is the recent years that matter in my opinion, as this year's deficit dwarfs the entire country's debt in 1980.
My gut feeling tends to agree, however, it should be noted that the very early 80's had very high inflation. As one of the very few people who had a student loan whose interest rate was actually lower than the inflation rate, I know those years well.
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sabs wrote:I usuaally go with the price of Coca-Cola.

It used to be 25 cents, now it's 1.00 for a 12 ounce can.
Go back to 1940, (when Coca-Cola was in 6 ounce bottles) and the competition...
Pepsi-Cola hits the spot,
Twelve full ounces, that's a lot,
Twice as much for a nickel too.
Pepsi-Cola is the drink for you.
Ironically I am currently drinking at the moment a 20 ounce bottle of Seagrams Ginger Ale. That's a lot!
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Pepsi has to be cheaper, its swill with ugly packaging.

:)
And yes, 20 ounce bottles change the dynamic, but you can still buy 12 ounce cans.
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Doom - it's "hedonic", not "hedonistic".

And anyone contending that inflation has been 700% in the last thirty years is straight-up fucking crazy. Gas these days is $3.80 or so. It sure as shit wasn't $0.54 a gallon in 1980. I have no idea what the price of milk is off-hand, but I do know that it's less than $7/gallon (organic even!), and that it sure as shit wasn't less than a $1/gallon in 1980.
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actually the gas price in 1981 was around $0.55 a gallon. When I started driving in 1988 it was $0.75 a gallon, and went up to roughly $0.99 cents by the time I graduated highschool.
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So much for 'sure as shit', although I think it was a bit higher, too...inflation really is insidious like that, people just don't realize what's happening.

Anyway, the the US military/government has been working very hard for a very long time to keep gas prices low, and, seriously, not every single thing conforms exactly and precisely to a compounded inflation number.

Much like the Spanish military/conquistadors drove down the 'price' of gold in Spain when they conquered the South/Central American civilizations, so too is the US military doing the same for the US by controlling oil rich countries.

You really can't point at one thing that's lower than the rate of inflation and say the rate is wrong. After all, college tuition is above 7x what is was 30 years ago (especially when you factor in interest on loans, 'student fees', and other things that are done to disguise the true cost), as is the cost of medical care (again, ditto on costs being disguised)...inflation is an average of things, one thing being below the average is no more a proof the average is wrong than another thing being above the average.

The bottom line still: no way inflation is 2%.
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sabs wrote:actually the gas price in 1981 was around $0.55 a gallon. When I started driving in 1988 it was $0.75 a gallon, and went up to roughly $0.99 cents by the time I graduated highschool.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/aer/txt/ptb0524.html

Try $1.25/gallon.
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In fact, when I look at stuff like this:

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source: http://infohost.nmt.edu/~armiller/gasprices.htm

...which is just basically a repeat of the chart Frank posted, I cannot help but think ShadowStats and anyone talking about the OMG version of inflation is "full of shit".
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Those are some odd, high prices. I know I published an article around 1997 talking about how cheap gas was at $1 a gallon.

I also know that when Katrina hit, people were complaining about stations that were charging $3 a gallon, double the (then) going rate.

But both of those prices I remember clearly are way below the prices given on that chart.

And, again, pointing at one thing (or, as I've done here, two things) being below average doesn't really demonstrate the average is wrong.
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National averages are wacky. Gasoline costs a lot less in some places than in others. Even in California, getting gas on the 5 (a trucking route through the Central Valley) may cost a dollar or more less per gallon than it does in San Francisco. Some of that is rent (gas stations in areas with low property values have less overhead), some of that is regulation (gas stations in the middle of fucking nowhere don't necessarily have to clean up all their spills because no one is watching), some of that is volume (if you're on a main trucking route, you can sell a lot more gas than if you are not), some of that is competition (if you're a gas station on the freeway, you're essentially in direct competition with every gas station within a hundred miles in either direction, while a gas station in a city neighborhood is mostly just competing with other stations in the neighborhood). And some of that is just plain good old price gouging - people in New York can pay more for gas, so the gas stations make sure they do.

On top of that, gas prices spike and trough throughout the year. Every time June hits and the demand for gas goes through the roof, the price does too. When Libya rattles its cage and the price of oil jumps, the price of gasoline also jumps some. And so on. Prices are averaged over time in addition to space.

When you're responding to the yearly national averages, kindly refrain from jackass anecdotes about how you vaguely remember getting gasoline for more or less than the average at some time in some place. Because it's a fucking average. Gasoline will of course cost more or less in various places at specific times. The chart even mentions the nominal peak when the monthly average over the united states hit $4 a gallon nominal in 2008.
Doom wrote:For quite a number of years, gasoline hasn't gone up with inflation quite as quickly.
So... your story is that the government is underreporting inflation, but that actual prices have not been going up as fast as the "real" inflation. Is that your final answer?

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No, my story is that pointing out one single data point being below the average doesn't mean the average is wrong.

The explanation for why the data point is below average is fairly clear, as given above, but even if the explanation were not clear, the end result is the same:

A single data point being below the average in a data set does NOT mean the average is wrong.
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I've been keeping records of regular prices with every fillup since I bought my original Pruis in 2002.

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Notice the funny bumps? That was when the change hit from the summer blend to the winter blend. Supply of the one stoped as they worked on the other so there are spikes twice a year. The blue dots are from my records for the 2010 prius (on a different portion of the spreadsheet).
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Wow, that's pretty impressive to do that. I imagine you're not the only one to keep such records, either. I don't imagine nearly as many people keep track of how much they're paying for tacos, or even bottles of aspirin.

Gas (and oil) are real fixations for the modern world, and have been the main reason the US have been involved in what, 4 'wars' since 1989? 5 wars? Lots of war, anyway, and the USgov has pretty much won those wars in terms of securing the oil supplies.

I think looking at gas as representative of everything else in the economy might be a bit skewed...it's not like we've gone to wars five times over health care, or invaded a country because it was charging low college tuition, or anything of the sort.

Let's argue the other way. The claim is inflation has only been 2%. From 1980, at that rate of inflation, prices today should only be about 82% more than they were in 1980 (I'm compounding continuously, fwiw). There are any number of things more than 82% up....can someone show me a raw material (besides gas/oil, or any other commodity the US has been involved in multiple wars in over the last 30 years), that's gone up less than 82% since 1980?

If 2% really is accurate, then, in light all the things that are up over 2%, there really should be some things that haven't gone up that much. Note how this is the gas argument being used validly: if a data set has points over the mean, and no points below the mean, then the mean is inaccurate.

So, where's the data point below the mean?
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Actually, people have been keeping track of the prices of stuff like food over time. Let's check the prices of Hamburgers from McDonalds over time according to "Value of a Dollar":
Food Timeline wrote:[1955]--15 cents
"On that cold, cloudy first day of business 30 years ago, Mr. Kroc's No. 1 McDonald's sold $366.12 worth of 15- cent hamburgers, 19-cent cheeseburgers, 20-cent milkshakes and 10- cent sodas and orders of fries."
"THE MCBURGER STAND THAT STARTED IT ALL," SHIPP, E. R., New York Times, Feb 27, 1985, pg. C.3

[1964]--15 cents
"1964: St. Paul's first McDonald's restaurant opens, on Fort Road. A burger costs 15 cents. "
---Star Tribune (Minneapolis, MN) September 29, 2002

[1968]--18 cents
Source: Value of a Dollar: Prices and Incomes in the United States 1860-2009, Scott Derks [Grey House Publishing:Millerton NY] 2009 (p. 643)

[1972] We find several articles about a scandal concering the McDonald's food prices and the Federal Price Commission, no simple hamburger prices quote in tje New York Times. Sample here: "Quarter pounder priced at 55 cents." --"McDonald's Told to Reduce Prices," New York Times, June 3, 1972 (p.21)

[1974]--30 cents
---Value of a Dollar

[1979]--38 cents
"Plans by the McDonald's Corp. to lower its hamburger prices by a nickel drew plaudits Monday from the president's chief inflation fighter, who said it would save the firm's customers millions of dollars. The firm said it would do its part to fight inflation by instituting a 10 percent cutback in prices of its regular hamburgers and cheeseburgers at its company-owned stores. Effective Tuesday, hamburgers will drop from 43 to 38 cents and cheeseburgers from 48 to 43 cents."
---AP Newswire, August 20, 1979

[1984]--50 cents
---Value of a Dollar

[1987]--62 cents
---Value of a Dollar

[1990]--75 cents
"'Value Pricing' resembles a department store's bargain basement. At McDonald's...The selections tapped for long-term price reductions are believed to include the plain hamburger, which now sells for 75 cents or more..."
---"Discount Menu is Coming to McDonald's As Chain Tries to Win Back Customers," Wall Street Journal, November 30, 1990 (p. B1)

[1991]--59 cents
"The new "Low Down Value" menu will discount several key items to 59 cents, including the basic hamburger..."
--- "MCDONALD'S 'LOW DOWN VALUE' MENU," Dan Koeppel, Brandweek, 1 January 1991 (p. 10)

[1995]--85 cents
---Value of a Dollar

[1997]--$1.90 & 55 cents: "Burger price wars"
"The Arch Deluxe didn't bring new customers into its stores, so now McDonald's Corp. appears poised to try something old -- price cutting. The fast food company will pitch a new promotional price-cutting scheme to its franchise operators in a video teleconference today. According to Dick Adams, the head of an association of McDonald's franchisees, the company has been "trying to convince its franchisees that it's the right way to go for a couple of weeks." The bait designed to lure customers through the golden arches is a 55-cent Big Mac, available only if purchased with a soft drink and french fries, menu items that yield relatively high profit margins. Normally the Big Mac sells for $1.90. At the new price, when a customer orders a small drink and small fries the franchisee would only break even, said Adams"
---"The 55-Cent Big Mac Tack; McDonald's Proposed Price Cut Represents a Reversal of the Arch Deluxe Strategy," Martha M. Hamilton,. The Washington Post,, Feb 27, 1997. pg. E.01

[2000]--89 cents
---Value of a Dollar

[2007]--89 cents
---Value of a Dollar
So... in the time it took the minimum wage to rise from 75 cents to 715 cents, the cost of a McDonalds hamburger raised from 15 cents to 89 cents.
Doom wrote:Let's argue the other way. The claim is inflation has only been 2%. From 1980...
Strawman much? No one is saying the rate of inflation was 2% from 1980 or even in 1980. The inflation rate in 1980 was over 13%. It was very large. The Inflation rate only fell below 2% for one year during Reagan's presidency: 1986.

Inflation is less than 2% right now, but that hasn't been true of the entire period since 1980, or even most of the period since 1980. Inflation has historically been very much higher, the target is supposed to be 3%. And it being so very low is really bad for people holding a lot of dollar denominated debt. Because their debt had an inflation rate based on inflation rate that is higher than what we actually have. So people are paying (or not paying) mortgages that were based on the assumption that they'd be getting pay raises that they aren't getting.

The average American is in a lot of debt. So the relatively low inflation of right now is just another kick in the dick.

But we're back to the extraordinary claims and extraordinary evidence business. You are the person who is saying that the Bureau of Labor Statistics has been underreporting inflation for three decades. You have not produced any evidence for this at all except your own vague recollections of anecdotes of how much things costed in various times that you can place within a few years.

The actual price data that has been found by me (not by you) does not support your extraordinary claim of a massive government conspiracy to underreport CPI adjustments. Before you continue making any claims on this matter at all, I insist that you find some actual fucking data that does not support the official statistics. You can see the official statistics Right Here. Not anecdotes, not vague recollections, actual data. Like the hamburger prices or the gasoline prices, which both don't support your position.

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Actually, I've been trying to focus on 'right now' or thereabouts. You're the one that keeps bringing up multiple decades ago. I've produced considerable evidence that the government numbers are 'off' a bit, and you've identified one thing that's below the mean, and I've explained in detail why that's the case, while noting the explanation is unnecessary.

I accept that one thing is below the mean. It happens.
So... in the time it took the minimum wage to rise from 75 cents to 715 cents, the cost of a McDonalds hamburger raised from 15 cents to 89 cents.
So, um, both went up by a factor of 6 to 9, within the range of Shadowstats. Are you trying to prove my point here, or what?

Playing devil's advocate and arguing for your side, I'm really hard pressed to accept the hamburger argument...between reducing the quality of the condiments, reducing the amount of the condiments, reducing the quality of the meat, reducing the size of the bun, reducing the quality of the bun....just not buying it. The big mac for 55 cents, provided you buy an expensive drink with it? C'mon, that's not even close to a fair comparison.

But let's give up on this...pointing out some things below the mean is gibberish as far as discrediting the mean, as you well know. I counter with college tuition and medical expenses (both of which are a bigger part of life than hamburgers at one chain). Some things are above the mean, some things are below. That's how a mean works.
Inflation is less than 2% right now
This is your extraodinary claim.

Again, you're claiming it's 2% right now. I've pointed out a range of commodities that have increased well over 2% in the last 6 months.

Once again, I ask again: what commodity has decreased enough to offset, say, the 30-100% increase in commodity prices I quoted earlier.

I again point out, with many things above the mean rate of inflation of 2%, SOMETHING has to be below the mean. Point out, please, the commodity that's gone up less than 2%.

So, to summarize: which commodity has dropped in price so much that it can be sanely argued that we're only seeing a 2% increase overall? Not actual buried statistics on some site somewhere that imply that something somewhere might be lowering somehow...but an actual commodity that's actually lowered in price the last few months more than what could be considered a seasonal adjustment (since, after all those adjustments are taken into account in inflation calculations).

Which commodity are you saying has dropped?

Again, to clarify the legitimate use of the argument: I've showed plenty that are above the 2% average. You need to show at least *something* enough below 2% increase to back up your claim that it's really 2%.

Everything above the mean, nothing below the mean? That's not how a mean works.
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Doom wrote:So, um, both went up by a factor of 6 to 9, within the range of Shadowstats. Are you trying to prove my point here, or what?
That was between the 1950s and the 21st century. Shadowstats would have added an extra zero to that. Twice.

Your extraordinary claim based on Shadowstats is that prices have been doubling every decade on top of the inflation the government actually reports. That is seriously what you claimed.

And that's compounded fucking interest. So if Shadowstats were right, prices would have undergone an additional doubling in the 50s, in the 60s, in the 70s, in the 80s, in the 90s, and in the 2000s. So the hamburger should be sixty four times as expensive as the government predicts. And it's not. It's not even as expensive as the government's numbers would predict.

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Again, no. I think you're misreading the site very badly.
So if Shadowstats were right, prices would have undergone an additional doubling in the 50s, in the 60s, in the 70s, in
Shadowstats does not say that CPI calculations have been manipulated through all time. The CPI numbers were 'correct' for quite some time. Note how Shadowstats' charts line up with government charts until around 1983. If you continue to insist that Shadowstats is wrong regarding pre-1983, you're equally insisting the government is crazy, because THE CHARTS ARE THE SAME. Shadowstats and government formulas are the same for CPI/inflation up to that point. You may verify this yourself by using Shadowstats' CPI calculator, setting begining/end dates before 1983...you'll note THE NUMBERS/BARS ARE THE SAME. Your repeated implication that Shadowstats' numbers are wrong regarding pre-1983 inflation relative to government numbers is simply bizarre.

Your assertion that Shadowstats claims doubling over the CPI when looking at the 50s-70s is wrong, as I now show with some actual numbers using government/shadowstat calculations, specifically before 1983

$100 in 1924 is equivalent to $550 in 1982 using BLS numbers. It's worth $550 in Shadowstats.

$100 in 1955 is equivalent to $196.63 in 1975 using BLS numbers. It's worth $196.63 according to Shadowstats.

$100 in 1913 (the earliest the calculator goes) is equivalent in 1983 to $998.98 using BLS numbers. It's also equivalent to $998.98 according to Shadowstats.

No doubling there at all.

Again, these numbers are the same, and its no coincidence, any more than quoting BLS numbers on two different websites is a coincidence. Feel free to check other calculations pre-1983 until you are satisfied.

The only reason Shadowstats started doing 'real' calculations was because actual companies that make their decision on 'correct' numbers were willing to pay to have those calculations made the old way, as opposed to the new ways that, in the opinion of Shadowstats (and the institutions/people willing to pay money for it...please, look at the subscription price), underreported inflation and misreported a range of other numbers.

Shadowstats' charts don't go back to the 50s because the changes to the CPI formula weren't MADE in the 50s. It's wildly inaccurate and crazy-unfair to reverse-engineer Shadowstat numbers for 1983+, and apply them to time periods several decades earlier. You're basically making up numbers, applying them incorrectly, attributing them to Shadowstats...and using your results to show Shadowstats is nuts.

Again, show me wrong on this. Show me where, on the site, it says their numbers/corrections should actually be backtracked to apply before the changes they're correcting actually took place.

(I put 'correct' and 'real' in quotes because such things are a matter of opinion, I admit. Let me clarify. The government, at some point in the past, had a calculation for CPI. This original calculation is called 'correct'. It was accepted as a measure for what "inflation" was. For reasons that we'll not get into, the government changed their calculation, thus changing what 'inflation' was; they've done so many times, coincidentally always getting numbers lower than what you get in the original definition. Shadowstats exists because some folks/industries have a different view as to how words can be redefined.)
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Re: Inflation: please explain

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PoliteNewb wrote:My view up to this point has been that inflation is what makes candy bars cost 99 cents today when they used to cost a nickel. Is that about right?

Can we discuss causes of inflation? And how it's measured? I saw Frank mention in another post that "inflation is low right now"...if inflation is what I think it is, fuck no inflation isn't low...the increase in the real cost of ordinary goods in my own lifetime is pretty nuts. And if it isn't what I think it is...there's still an explanation needed.
Inflation is generally caused by the imbalance between two related (but seperate) entities in an economy: Money supply, and actual goods.

When people think of "wealth", they generally think in terms of money. "I have a million dollars therefore I am rich".

However, in reality money doesn't actually have intrinsic value on its own. If people stopped believing that money was worth anything then having a million dollars wouldn't make you rich. All it would mean is that you have a giant wad of paper. In fact, in countries with massive inflation (i.e. Weimar Germany in the 1920s), it was more economical to just burn money for heating, rather than to use the money to pay for heating fuel.

In short, money represents a supply of "imaginary" wealth. The supply of this "imaginary" wealth is regulated by the government - which issues money through its Central Bank.

However, even though this wealth is "imaginary", it's hugely important: Because it's much more convenient to trade goods using money. Before money was invented, a farmer wanting to trade rice for a pair of shoes had to find a shoemaker who needed rice right at that moment. Money by contrast allows the farmer to convert rice to money, which he can then convert to a pair of shoes. Without money, trade becomes much more constricted.

Now, how this all relate to inflation?

In an ideal situation, the amount of money in circulation should roughly be equivalent to the amount of actual physical goods & services in the market.

Let's say that you have an economy where the ONLY good in the market are bricks (suspend your disbelief - a brick-only economy is indeed impossible). Let's say a brick is supposed to cost $10 apiece. If there are 100,000 bricks in the market, then there should only be $1,000,000 in the market.

However, the problem is that the supply of goods in the market is not constant. And people have different views on what a brick should be worth. So in reality, you can't say that there are 100,000 bricks in the market for certain. You can only make an estimate.

So what happens when you issue $1,000,000, but it turns out there are only 10,000 bricks in the market? Well, what generally happens is that instead of keeping the price at $10, the price of the good instead adjusts itself based on the money supply. People generally don't just leave their money sitting around doing nothing.

So in this situation, a brick will probably gradually increase in price until it hits $100 per brick. That's how you go from a $10 brick to a $100 one. Physically, the vlue of the bricks never changed. But because the supply of money changed - the brick's price goes up to make up for it.

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Finally, it's worth noting that inflation is probably inevitable. Because markets are growing. There are more people now in the United States than there were in 1950. So the supply of physical goods and actual services is now higher than it was before.

To catch up, more money has to be printed. Otherwise there won't be enough money to help facilitate trade and we'll be back to trading rice for shoes. Unfortunately, this causes inflation because of the aforementioned imbalances between money supply and actual goods.

Especially when shit like this happens:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... e-20100405

Wherein banks outright lie about the value of actual goods, and creating th so-called "Bubbles" which result in market crashes. But a "Bubble" is an entirely different subject altogether, and the article describes the sort of shit that wrecks economies much better.
Last edited by Zinegata on Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:50 am, edited 2 times in total.
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